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What kind of service should there be with electric trains?  More  frequent, all-day service? A crisper commute service with fewer stops?
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How will you make the connections at the start and end of a trip on Caltrain – walking, shuttle, buses, bikes, self-driving cars? Â How will you pay for the trip?
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What will the experience be like on the train and at the station?
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How will our region be doing toward greenhouse gas reduction goals, and what role will Caltrain play?
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How will Caltrain be funded, and how will the organization fit into the Bay Area’s transit system?
- How will Caltrain relate to cities, employers, neighborhoods and other organizations that depend on it?
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Once Caltrain is electrified, I’d expect the transit time to be faster. In other words, if post electrification, the schedule should show shorter time between SF/MV, SF/PA, SF/SJ.
All “proposed” schedules that I’ve seen pop up for HSR simulation eliminate baby bullets and replace them with more frequent and slower local service. One post electrification schedule published, replaces Limited trains with local trains, and Baby Bullets still having the same runtime.
With such proposals, I’m concerned that we’ll spend $1.5 billion on Electrification, and commutes on baby bullets will not improve (or get slower)
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– Is there a plan for grade separation? This higher speed won’t be achieved if the trains and cars run on the same level, inho.
– The service with electric trains can stay the same, unless there is a compelling advantage to the change.
– Where will the electricity come from? Will there be local solar power stations installed along the route?
– Will the electrified CalTrain system be shared with the future high-speed system? Basically, can this upgraded CalTran be capable, or easily changed, to support high-speed trains?
To ease traffic pressures on the north/south highways and arterials in SM and SF counties, it is essential to extend Caltrain to the new Transbay Transit Center with fast pedestrian connections to Market Street and the BART and Muni Metro subways. The governnment of San Francisco is being a little slow to recognizei this need.
Level boarding and wide boarding doors [like BART] should be the #1 improvement, even ahead of electrification. This would do more for comfort and service than any else.
Caltrain is not very nice – compare it to the California Capitals or ACE for creature comforts.
– The Seats are too close (my knees press the seat in front).
– No tables on the older trains
– There is no wifi – very few power outlets
– The rest rooms are appalling (just not serviced often enough)
Also it does not run late at night so if you might working late or go for dinner or a show with friends you better drive.
There has been some excitement in the media lately about the “Google Bus” (it’s way more than Google) and the “Two Tiered” transit – meaning that the “yuppy” high tech workers get a nice bus while the common working man must take dilapidated old Caltrain. (yes I do know the video was fake) but this raises a good point – why is a bus nicer than Caltrain? It really ought to be the other way around.
Caltrain has long needed to fix their insanely unjust and nutty fare-zone tariff which makes a one-stop ride between stations on a zone boundary (e.g. Menlo Park & Redwood City) cost the same as a 10-stop ride in the other direction. This has long infuriated me. Staff long ago said they’d revisit the obvious solution of going to a distance-based fare matrix, just like BART uses. Now that 100% of tickets are generated & sold by machines (computers) … it would be a relatively trivial matter to calculate fares based on a distance-based fare-matrix based on the station-to-station distance traveled. This would bring fare equity and stop severely and unfairly penalizing many relatively short trips across fare-zone boundaries. Think about it: a monthly between Redwood City and Menlo Park costs the same $126 as a monthly between Redwood City and San Francisco (or Menlo Park and SJ Tamien)!!
Electronic station signs directing passengers to the appropriate platform, as well as electronic signs at the entrance to each train car, listing train number, destination, and departure time are absolutely necessary. The only way to identify a train now is to trot up to the leading car or engine and peer up at the numbers on the rear-view mirror. Or pester a conductor. Way, way, antiquated.
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Oh dear, where do I start?
Low hanging fruit (doesn’t require electrification):
– How about clipper add value machines at every station? The transition to clipper happened nearly 2 years ago, and I still can’t buy passes at stations. Ridiculous.
– More frequent service to stations near population centers (e.g. San Antonio, Sunnyvale).
– More frequent service during mid-day, weekends, evenings.
– Later service.
– Reform the fare system – zones were fine for paper tickets, but let’s move on now that we have clipper. Also, eliminate 8-rides and replace with a deeper clipper cash discount.
– Coordinate with other public transit services to have reasonable transfers. Transfers to/from VTA light rail can take nearly 30 minutes in the evening (as bad as possible given light rail’s headways).
All of this could, technically, be accomplished today, and would turn Caltrain from a half-decent commuter train into a mass transit service which is useful for the population as a whole.
More ambitious:
– Level boarding.
– More frequent service through the entire day.
– Quieter trains, less horn sounding through residential neighborhoods (grade separation?)
– Amenities. Toilets that work and aren’t awful. Train cars that ride smoothly.
That’s off the top of my head.
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Wi fi on the train
CalTrain is currently suffering from lack of capacity during commute hours. This can only be improved by either increasing the frequency of trains or increasing the capacity of each train during this time. A reasonable argument for how this capacity increase will be achieved through the electrification upgrade has yet to be presented, let alone any planning for future capacity upgrade requirements.
Most of the fare disputes I observe on the train are due to a Clipper user who thinks they paid. The “user interface” for Clipper users needs significant improvement.
Grade crossings are critical. Find a way to get for CalTrain improvements all the funding BART receives for the area of San Mateo County where BART doesn’t run. The improvements could be grade separations and service to south SM co.
In case our HSR project is derailed along with its financial support to its planned electrification project, Caltrain should have an electrification plan B that enable it to complete the critical DTX project with increased capacity. Instead of electrify the entire system, only the new track from 4th and King to downtown SF will be under the wire by using the new dual-mode ALP-45DP-20 locomotives built by Bombardier last year.
Caltrain is great; it is clean and its stations are located within walking distance of nearly every town along its route, however, it needs to have dedicated funding as the JPB can’t plan for the future when funding is always a problem.
Looking to the future, a blended high speed rail/Caltrain system will offer more bullet trains/high speed trains to SF throughout the day rather than only during peak commute times. This will be an advantage for those who also travel during off peak times.
In the meantime, an additional northbound baby bullet train is needed from SJ to SF weekday mornings around 9 or 10AM for appointments during the middle of the day. After the last morning northbound baby bullet train, Caltrain ceases to compete with the automobile; the local trains take 81 or 91 minutes to reach SF, the terminal is at Fourth and Townsend, & it is necessary to take a taxi or MUNI to reach your final destination. In other words, if you can’t take a baby bullet train from SJ to SF, it’s best to allow 2 hours to get to a SF destination. But there is no reason to use Caltrain after the morning commute; it is easier, more convenient, and takes less time to drive to San Francisco during off peak hours.
Caltrain needs to compete with the automobile throughout the day.
Hi, in addition to thinking big & long-term there is also an opportunity for Caltrain to incrementally improve its service. Here is one idea: put Clipper card readers where they are most convenient for your passengers. For instance, I miss one at San Jose Diridon station on my way to Bush St. I always have to go to the one close to track 3 before I can actually leave the station the other direction. Maybe, you can analyze the typical walking patterns of your passengers and then improve these kinds of services.
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Having worked 8 years at Toyota InfoTechnology Center, I can say we’re not going to have completely autonomous vehicles in ten years. I’ve seen much improvement in Caltrain since riding it frequently in 2002.
Please listen to recommendations from people who live in areas served by good train service. Before considering electrification and anything related to the bullet train, please (1) improve communications, at least so conductors can actually know where their train will stop, and can intelligently answer other riders’ questions; (2) improve the ticket-purchasing experience, so for example new arrivals from SFO aren’t given a ticket on their first day in the USA; (3) improve infrastructure to keep on schedule, to reduce the variability in arrival time which in my mind is the primary advantage of train over car or bus. Then when the flying automous vehicles arrive, you’ll be ready 🙂
I’d go for regular service with increased number of trains at peak hours. Most important is good track that allows the trains to go fast. This means:
1. Passing places so trains can pass each other more frequently
2. Removal of level crossings – either put the road below or over the railway
3. Track that can take a 125 mph train
4. Friendly stations – this means a cafe on the station, people selling food
5. Food on the train – could make more money if you sold coffee on the train
6. More ads on the train – like the London Underground – every square inch of space on the train ceilings, station pillars, etc should have ads – back of seats too.
7. Fund by:
a) Bonds
b) Private investment in train real estate – get people to lease cafes on stations and build other food outlets
c) Higher fares and parking fees
d) More billboards on side of track – think you are Google – every rail asset is probably a space for an ad
e) First class car on the train with better seats, food service, news on screens
f) Bike storage, repair and rental facilities at stations – rent to a bike store chain – better bike cars on trains
g) Showers at stations – for both homeless and people commuting who want to get to work clean – again sell or rent the space to a company that specializes in spas or swimming pools
h) Restrooms at stations – pay for them – keep them clean with a bathroom cleaner regularly at the station
Until the train is significantly faster than the car there will be low ridership – when the train gets faster than a car
I agree with @Angela Hey on all of her points except the last one: the train should be more *reliable* than the car: If I board the train by 8am, then I will be at work by 9am without fail
Also, I should clarify my 2nd point:
(2) improve the ticket purchasing experience, to reduce the chance of a new visitor facing a citation on his way to Stanford from SFO, from overseas. I have seen this happen, and it made me cringe
Unfortunately, I won’t be attending. Are there alternative venues to catch the presentation?
Caltrain should extend its service to southern cities like Hollilster. Like myself, many ride Caltrain but with the inconvenience of driving to Gilroy everyday.
I’m convinced that we can triplicate easily number of riders if service is extended.
I’ll send an update to everyone who registered or posted a comment.
Regarding communication to riders and incident response – the Caltrain Citizens’ Advisory Committee has this as one of its 3 top priorities for the year. There will be an upcoming meeting focusing on this – watch here: http://www.caltrain.com/about/advisorycommittees/cac/Citizens_Advisory_Committee_Meetings_Calendar.html
Regarding infrastructure to keep on schedule – one of the most important things Caltrain can do about this is level boarding. Right now when Caltrain serves someone in a wheelchair it can take 4-5 minutes for that person to get on/off. This is a key reason why Caltrain can’t promise to be on time with finer-grained resolution than 5 minutes. Fortunately Caltrain has said they want to do level boarding; but this will take support and funding.
The Caltrain Citizens Advisory Committee has capacity as one of the top 3 priorities this year. The topic will be covered at the next meeting, 3rd Wednesday in January. http://www.caltrain.com/about/advisorycommittees/cac/Citizens_Advisory_Committee_Meetings_Calendar.html
Yes, strongly agree that Caltrain should model and communicate potential capacity and ridership with electrification and other changes. They are currently hesitant to publish information that people interpret as “promises” – but the information helps people understand and give constructive feedback.
Regarding Clipper – the Clipper contract will be up for renewal and there will be discussions over the next year about how the region should upgrade. Blog post forthcoming.
Caltrain has a goal to increase grade separation. San Mateo County has some funding for this, but Santa Clara County doesn’t. If you are interested in helping, watch for blog posts on the topic or send contact info to adina.levin@friendsofcaltrain.com. Electrified Caltrain will share tracks with High Speed Rail in a “blended system.” Google “green caltrain blended system” for more info.
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There are multiple relatively simple fixes that would make Caltrain much more usable for newcomers, and might encourage them to use it more regularly, instead of frustrating them from the minute they arrive at the airport:
1) electronic signs announcing trains.
2) some way for a casual user to buy a single ticket from SFO airport to the South Bay.
3) enough connection time to transfer between BART and Caltrain, even if you have to buy tickets. (Maybe this has finally been fixed, but it was embarrassingly bad for years.)
4) Caltrain schedules posted at the SFO BART station, so that people without US smartphones can tell whether it makes sense to take BART to Milbrae.
I often tell people I have a love-hate relationship with Caltrain. I love the Caltrain because for certain uses, it is wonderful. I have a nice, relaxing ride where I can read or do something else instead of stressing and wasting time in traffic. I hate Caltrain because those “certain uses” basically only amount to regular commuting during peak hours.
1. More frequent service. I would love to take Caltrain on the weekends to run errands up and down the peninsula, for example, but the possibility of finishing my errands and then having to wait 45 minutes for the next train makes me inclined to take the car instead. Same if I’m commuting up to SF for a mid-day meeting: odds are the meeting doesn’t coordinate with the schedule and then I have to wait forever for the next train.
2. Level boarding with wide doors. If that’s not possible, would it be possible to install a little ramp on each side of the door to make it possible to wheel a bike up the stairs?
3. There is no reason for Clipper users to pay a zone-based fare. Not only should Clipper enable a distance-based fare to be calculated automatically, all passes should simply be eliminated for Clipper users and instead the system should be programmed to automatically apply steeper discounts once you hit pre-defined usage thresholds.
4. Schedule coordination, both with other transit agencies and with the various shuttle services up and down the peninsula. It does no good for Caltrain to offer more frequent service if people still have to wait a half hour for the Commute.org shuttle on the other end. It may also help to advocate for bicycle infrastructure so that people might feel safer biking the last few miles (and therefore there will be less need for shuttles).
5. Wifi.
In 2002 I frequently attended the CAB meetings in San Carlos. Their reply to nearly every complaint or suggestion was: lack of funding. I’ve lived 12 years in a country known for an excellent train system, and I think a few things can be done that don’t require so much funding. They are:
* train staff to reply intelligently to questions like: will this train stop at San Carlos? Would another train be faster to San Francisco? What’s the fastest way to SFO?
* After the door closes, announce the next TWO stops.
* Advertising in the car (paper, not audio/video). Use funding from this source to build fences and pay some lawyers. If a train is delayed are you suing for the likelihood of lost revenue due to loss of customers? That’s what Keihan and Kintetsu do and it does not hurt their PR.
Aside from the obvious reducing time between trains, how about putting GPS tracking on every train so I can tell exactly where my train is, what its status is, and potentially when it will arrive. The current arrive times flashed on station screens is better than nothing, but not particularly useful if the train is stopped – seeing the train late xx minutes increment up one minute every minute is madenning, and the sign does me no good if I am nearby but not at the station. This should be trivial, cheap and quick to do with modern smart-phones and tracking apps. You could also use the phone as an emergency back-up comms system.
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These links are exactly what I mean. If the train is on time or a few minutes late, fine. But if it is stopped, the time just increments up one minute at a time. Is the train late leaving a station because they are slow loading? Is it because they just hit a vehicle or a person? a breakdown? There is no indication of what really is going on unless someone on that train tweets – which may be ten or twenty minutes later – if anyone on the train has a clue. If the train is stopped just beyond an intersection, at least I could surmise that it hit something or broke down, and I need to use alternate transportation ASAP.