On Wednesday, May 20, Caltrain is holding an important board workshop to discuss key decisions regarding the electric car purchase. Â The discussion will consider important topics:
- how Caltrain will achieve level boarding
- how (or whether?) Caltrain platforms will be compatible with High Speed Rail
- how much space to allocate for bicycles vs. standing room
- how much (if any) space to provide for bathrooms)
The board workshop will be from 9am to Noon at Caltrain HQ at 1250 San Carlos Avenue in San Carlos. The material will be presented again in the evening at the Citizens’ Advisory Committee at Caltrain HQ at 5:40pm.
If you are very interested in this topic, consider making the time to attend the workshop (a difficult time for people with regular work hours). Â If you are interested in the topic and can’t make the board meeting, please come to the CAC meeting in the evening.
At the meeting, hopefully Caltrain will provide new information to help boardmembers – and Caltrain riders -Â evaluate the benefits and drawbacks of the available options:
1) How much peak hour capacity will Caltrain be able to provide under considered scenario for level boarding, as measured in total passengers per hour, standing and sitting.
2) How would level boarding at 50″ with internal stairs affect dwell time (the time the train is stopped at the station letting passengers on and off), which is a substantial component of trip time?
3) How many Caltrain trains and High Speed Trains per hour will be able to serve Transbay, which is expected to become the highest ridership station on the Caltrain line once it is opened
5) How would would platform compatibility affect options for station design at Millbrae and Diridon, with regard to cost and customer ease of use?
Hopefully Caltrain provide the board and riders with information about the factors that will shape the longterm value Caltrain and the blended systems, to enable well-informed decisions.
3) How many Caltrain trains and High Speed Trains per hour will be able to serve Transbay?
It is depending on turnaround time and turnaround tracks beyond the platform.
With CALTRAIN standard, only 2~3 train/h. With RAPID TRANSIT standard (BART, VTA, MUNI), moer than 8 train/h.
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@Evans: 8 Caltrains and 2 HSRs (just like St Pancras).
Once the Transbay tunnel is done, 30 trains per hour per direction is achievable until Bayshore at which point some of the trains will have to turn around and head back towards the East Bay.
Transbay will have 3 platform with 6 tracks. I suggest to assign 4 for HSR and 2 for Caltrain.
Taipei HSR, Tokyo (JR east) HSR both have 4 tracks and handles more than 10 train/h This means 2.5 train/h per tracks and blocking each track for 24 minutes by each train.
Fremont and Richmond BART both handles 8 train/h + dead head and coupling/decoupling. So Caltrain can handle 8 train/h with 2 platform even USA standard.
10~12 train/h combined Caltrain and HSR will not be much problem.
St Pancras uses 2 tracks to turnaround 4 Javelins/hour during off-peak and 3 tracks for 8 trains/hour during peak (12 trains/hour during the Olympics) but that is not the issue. SF wants to shut down and redevelop 4th&King as soon as DTX is done and the only way to satisfy Caltrain storage requirements is a minimum of 4 tracks holding 2 Caltrains each (total 8 Caltrains) overnight ready for start of service in the morning. HSR can store 4 trains on the remaining 2 tracks.
Roland, Caltrain need to understand the economy of train storage in San Francisco and quite expensive. Just build storage tracks in Bayshore and run deadhead train in the night and morning.
Evans, has it ever crossed your mind that Brisbane might be interested in building an Olympic Village that could be converted into 2,500 affordable homes within walking distance of the relocated Bayshore station after the Games?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDP4PbeLmNM
Going back to Transbay, we are about to spend another $1.5B on DTX and a relocated 4th&King station so I am really curious about what plans you have for the 6 empty tracks at night(?)
Couldn’t the new EMUs use two sets of 25″ doors with stairs to get down to 8″? When the stations are converted to 25″ platforms they could replace the doors and use some kind of insert over the top of the stairs to make the landing level at 25″. The downside to this is all the stations need to be converted to 25″ platforms simultaneously.
The only reasonable alternative to this is just leave all the platforms at 8″ and add extra platforms at SF/PA/SJ at 25″. I’m not sure there’s enough space at any of those stations to realistically do that.
Roland, transbay terminal still park some train overnight. Those trains more than its track capacity, should deadhead to Bayshore or other location. I know Brisbane’s development plan. So, Redwood junction will be ideal location as Caltrain have ROW already. So, Caltrain to run some SF->RWC and SJC->RWC (or Menlo Park) train in the night and same number of RWC->SF and RWC->SJC train in the morning.
Roland, do you have any new information on the politics in Brisbane? Last I heard, their city council was opposed to adding housing in the Baylands and supported commercial use only. Brisbane has only about 4,000 people, and last I heard they did not want to add thousands of new residents who would affect the politics of the town.
Patrick, the issue is that if Caltrain provides compatibility with High Speed Trains boarding at 50″, there is no way for current trains to adapt. Caltrain would need to fully convert to electric trains. Which has other benefits too, less pollution and lower costs. Yes, Caltrain would start service with people boarding the electric trains with stairs from the current platforms.
BREAKING NEWS: Caltrain EMUs will not have any bathrooms: http://www.caltrain.com/Assets/Caltrain+Modernization+Program/Presentations/LPMG+Seats+standees+bikes+05.28.15.pdf slide 26
Brisbane have just posted the final EIR for the Bayshore Baylands: http://brisbaneca.org/baylands-final-eir
any highlights, before other folk have slogged through it?